tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post7096069969467173278..comments2021-03-09T02:50:28.480-08:00Comments on Stop the 16 March marches in Riga!: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-41763026421118221522013-03-23T04:49:54.305-07:002013-03-23T04:49:54.305-07:00A little background history regarding the life of ...A little background history regarding the life of Latvian Jews prior to Nazi invasion in June 1941 and since<br /><br />1) In 1905 there was an attempt of a pogrom in the Moscow suburb of Riga , a few people were killed.<br /><br />2) Jewish industrialists were discriminated during the Ulmanis regime ( 1918-1921), and some of them (Fomcenko family, owners of Laima chocolate factory, for example) were forced to sell their factories and go abroad. "Latvia for ethnic Latvians" became a motto of Ulmanis.<br /><br />3) According to 79 year old Jacov Reisin in June 1941 BEFORE Nazi troops even entered Riga Latvian nationalists shot Jews in Gogola street – Jews who were attempting to get onto trains to flee Latvia and escape to Russia for safety.<br /><br />4) On 14 June 1941 around 15, 000 Latvians were deported and killed by Soviets before the German army entered Latvia. When the Germans invaded Latvia June 22, 1941 , 10 000 ethnic Latvians were accused of collaborating with the Soviets and were killed in the summer-autumn of 1941, about 75, 000 Jews were also killed. Due to the massive collaboration of ethnic Latvians 95.6% of Latvia’s pre-war Jewish population were murdered. <br /><br />5. When Latvia fell to the Germans on July 1st 1941, Voldemārs Veis (November 7, 1899 – April 17, 1944) a lieutenant Colonel in the Latvian army and a prominent Nazi collaborator and chief of the auxiliary police broadcasted a radio call for volunteers to enlist and rid Latvia of “traitors” that included Soviet functionaries, Communists and Jews. Many enlisted, and the “cleansing” began. Veis is still honoured today in Latvia.<br /><br />6. In 1995 the President of Latvia at the time Guntis Ulmanis presented Adolfs Shilde books to Latvian schools. Adolfs Shilde was one of the founders of the Perkonkrusts (the leader was Gustavs Celmins a man who is honored in the Museum of Occupation in Riga, a museum that curiously only devotes one small corner of its museum to the Latvian Jewish community and its extermination). An interesting fact that Latvian apologists like to overlook is that The Perkonkrusts already in 1930, eleven years before the Germans invaded expressed the desire to eliminate all Jews. Today Shilde’s books can be found in any serious public library in Latvia. Shilde, a great antisemite and Nazi collaborator called for the absolute annihilation of Jews. In 1942 in his annual review of events in Zemgalle, he stated, <br />“If we assess the most outstanding events of the past year, we cannot remain silent about the great joy we feel about the solution of the Jewish question in our country.” <br /><br />7. For now Latvian apologists should question the following. On 16 March 1944 when the 15th and 19th divisions of the Waffen SS fought against the Red Army not so far away from Leningrad around 1,5 000 000 innocent men, women and children died of hunger due to a Nazi blockade. Should such a day be commemorated by anyone? <br />Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-67604216226603937132013-03-22T11:05:00.145-07:002013-03-22T11:05:00.145-07:00Mr Peimanis, We have now given you more than your...Mr Peimanis, We have now given you more than your fair share to speak your mind.<br /><br />If you feel so sorry for all the Jews who were murdered in Latvia then out of respect to them and their relatives living today it would be appropriate to stop honouring the murderers. There is nothing more to say on this except start reading and stop seeing propaganda in every single historical fact listed that is contrary to your exceptionally biased and parenoid view. In terms of the kind of prejudiced and quite frankly ignorant comments you have been making on this page read some of your earlier comments on this page and question how you would feel if you were a Jew living today. ' If your relatives moved to London, they were more prosperous than other average people. So, bear in mind, prosperous jews were killed befor Nazi came' NO, quite wrong. Hitler and his willing executioners did not decide to kill only certain types of Jews according to income, they chose to kill ALL JEWS. This is just one fact Mr Peimanis that clearly Latvian history books have not taught you. Start reading some others! Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-41531711803703841232013-03-22T10:49:23.571-07:002013-03-22T10:49:23.571-07:00Your last comment(s) are misleading again! I told ...Your last comment(s) are misleading again! I told you many times: we are really sad about all these people who died due to nacistic regime clash on our land. One regime was intended to eliminate talanted, prosperos etc people, other was intended to eliminate jews, then others. <br /> <br />Every latvian knows about jews in Latvia. We remember and know that our jews was educated, prosperous, smart and talented. Wear proud with our ex-Latvian Mark Rothko and Philippe Halsman. As I am head of one photo comunity I can say that we have annual Halsman`s days (just latvian hobby photographers ar taking pictures at his style), I worked at company who Bilt huge center in Daugapils - called by Rotko`s name. And many, many, many other Jews. <br /> <br />Would you be so kind to finally open eyes, you might understand, that Latvia was safe place for Jews for centuries. Latvian people was under ocupations most of time, so we just really realistically understand other people. Even 1930-ies Latvia was safe place for Jews. They moved to Latvia from other western contries. <br /><br />If you do not understand what happens on 16th march, it`s sad. Really sad.<br /> <br />Organisations who organises protest campaigns near monument of freedom are from the same people who were members of Interfront - soviet KGB people who tried to stop down our will to gain back independence of Latvia. <br /> <br />It was so hard to Israel to get back it`s country. And imagine well known nazi leaders (KGB ex-agents) coming and putting wreaths for murdered palestinians (for victims of nazism). <br /> <br />Sad problem - nobody cares what they bring (except international organisations, invited by ex-kgb agents) people care, that these evil people, who is still paid from Moscow, is intentionally coming with provocation. <br /> <br />Israeli people might be the best ones who can understand and help us. But sadly your are blind - you hear just ex-kgb lies. You hear "marching and SS" and that`s all. Like "jews" for german nazis at 1941.<br /> <br />In reality - it is good work for MOSSAD, to stop these people who intentionally make speculation on Holocaust, even trying to provoke angryness against KGB agents , who is NAZI for Latvians (50 years of nacistic attitude to our country) who has hijacked "human rights".<br /><br />http://www.rebaltica.lv/en/investigations/money_from_russiaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057669038923093068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-71828684631609529752013-03-22T09:14:14.251-07:002013-03-22T09:14:14.251-07:00The late Raoul Hilberg documented a substantial am...The late Raoul Hilberg documented a substantial amount of information on how Latvians, well before the formation of specific Latvian SS units, murdered first the local Jewish population and then several trainloads of German Jewish people, especially in Riga, under the loose supervision of German SS. It becomes clear from historical evidence that Latvians (and other) so-called Hilfswilligen (= willing helpers) did not need much encouragement to plunder and murder Jewish communities, their own and the ones delivered by the Nazis). <br />Relevant literature (excerpt):<br />• The Destruction of the European Jews (Yale University Press, 2003; originally published in 1961).<br />• The Holocaust today (Syracuse University Press, 1988).<br />• Sources of Holocaust research: An analysis (Ivan R. Dee, Chicago, 2001).<br />• The politics of memory: The journey of a Holocaust historian (Ivan R. Dee, Chicago, 1996).<br />• Perpetrators, Victims, Bystanders: The Jewish catastrophe, 1933-1945 (Aaron Asher Books, NY, 1992).<br />• "The Fate of the Jews in the Cities." Reprinted in Betty Rogers Rubenstein (ed.), et al. What kind of God? : Essays in honor of Richard L. Rubenstein (University Press of America, 1995).<br />• "The destruction of the European Jews: precedents." Printed in Bartov, Omer. Holocaust: Origins, implementation, aftermath (Routledge, London, 2000).<br />• Hilberg, Raul (editor). Documents of destruction: Germany and Jewry, 1933-1945 (Quadrangle Books, Chicago, 1971).<br /><br /><br />Hale, Christopher Hitler's Foreign Executioners <br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Foreign-Executioners-Europes-Secret/dp/0752459740Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-78866893374912963232013-03-22T09:08:49.751-07:002013-03-22T09:08:49.751-07:00« MEMOIRS »by Elmar Rivosh, ISBN 978-9984-39-515-9...« MEMOIRS »by Elmar Rivosh, ISBN 978-9984-39-515-9; this book can be bought at the Museum of the Jews of Latvia in Riga. According to the short biographical information on the back cover and footnote ˡ page 7 of his memoirs, Elmar Rivosh was born in Kreuzburg (Krustpils) in 1906, studies in Riga, later Paris. He was imprisoned in the Riga ghetto, and he was the only one from his family to escape when he went into hiding with the help of Latvian benevolents. Excerpts from the chapters“The Beginning of the End” and “It Begins” have been translated into several languages and widely circulated. They are acknowledged as a remarkable testament to WWII. The bulk of the text was written in hiding during the war and completed after liberation. These chapters were sent to Soviet writers (V. Grossman and I. Ehrenburg) in order to be included in the “Black Book”. The manuscript featured at the Nuremberg Trials of the key Nazi criminals. The entire edition of the already typeset of the “Black Book” was never published at that time, it was destroyed when the Anti-Fascist Committee (in the USSR) was liquidated by the Stalinist regime. (as is well-known, the “Black Book”was later published in Western-European countries and translated into many languages: Roland Binet).<br /><br /><br /><br />« L’EXTERMINATION DES JUIFS EN LETTONIE 1941-1945 » (The Extermination of the Jews in Latvia 1941-1945), a conferences’ cycle, director of publication Rabbin Ménachem Barkahan, ISBN 978-9984-9835-8-5, published by the « Shamir Association »,Riga/Latvia; translated from the original Russian but available in French at the Museum of the Jews of Latvia; this book received the support of the “Agence Exécutive” (Éducation, audiovisuel et culture – EACEA) from the EU. This remarkable book describes in a very thorough manner the social and political context in Latvia prior to WWII. It details methodically, village after village, town after town, city after city, ghetto after ghetto, killing ground after killing ground, what really happened in Latvia and how the Latvian Jews were exterminated during WWII. (for anyone really interested in knowing the horrifying reality of the Holocaust in Latvia, this is an absolute must, and it is a pity it is not yet available in English or German: Roland Binet). <br /><br />Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-43958189583375670622013-03-22T09:06:04.927-07:002013-03-22T09:06:04.927-07:00Thank you Mr Peigmanis,
Your comments tell us eve...Thank you Mr Peigmanis,<br /><br />Your comments tell us everything we need to know concerning the level of indoctrination you and others like you in Latvia have suffered and still suffer from.<br /><br />Due to the comments you have been coming out that smack of racism we believe you have now exhausted your arguments. To allow others to speak we trust you will understand but we will not be publishing any more of your comments but thank you for the ones you have given. They are a true eye opener.<br /><br />Just in case you would like to acquaint yourself a little further on the men in the Latvian Legion here is a reading list to get you going taken from Roland Binet’s article concerning the Museum of Occupation in Riga ( see Blog entry January 2012) and the Latvian Legion who were the 15 and 19th divisions of the Waffen SS ( see blog entry March 2012). Useful libraries to visit would be The Wiener Library and Yad Vashem if you fear others may have propaganda within them:<br /><br />« И ТЫ ЭТО ВИДЕЛ » (i ty eto videl/And You Saw It) by David Silberman, published by BOTA/Riga, ISBN 9984-19-970-3, can be bought at the Museum of the Jews of Latvia/Riga. David Silberman was born in Preiļi in Latviain 1934. His family fled the native town just one day before the murder of nearly all its Jewish inhabitants. Around 1958, David Silberman decided to collect testimonial material from survivors from the Holocaust. This was realised clandestinely because the Soviet authorities frowned on activities and written works that made a differentiation between Jewish and Soviet (i.e. non-Jews) victims. An activist for the right of Soviet Jews to emigrate to Israel, David Silberman was one of the leading persons to organise a hunger-strike in Moscow at the beginning of the seventies. He underwent questioning by the KGB, a search of his apartment. Finally, after the hunger-strike he was granted permission to emigrate to Israel. He is now an American citizen and has many other books in Russian and English. One of these - entitled “Like a Star in the Darkness”, ISBN 979-9984-280-6 – describes the story of Janis (Zhan) Lipke, a Latvian patriot who helped and saved around 50 Jews from certain death during WWII. This righteous man was honoured in Jerusalem where his name was inscribed in the“Golden Book” of the Jewish nation as Righteous among the Nations (from the cover of his book and my personal contacts with him: Roland Binet)<br /><br /><br /><br />« THE MURDER OF THE JEWS IN LATVIA1941-1945 », by Bernhard Press, Nothwestern University Press, ISBN 0-8101-1729-0, can be bought on Internet. According to the short biographical information on the back cover, Bernhard Press was born in Latvia in 1917. He studied in Florencebecause of covert anti-Semitism in Latvia. In 1951, he was accused of high treason and sentenced to 25 years in an arctic labour camp. After being released in 1956, he emigrated to West-Germany. He was an Honorary Professor of Pathology at the Free University of Berlin.<br /><br /><br /><br />Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-66350592122210377462013-03-22T07:25:50.549-07:002013-03-22T07:25:50.549-07:00> It really is as simple as that.
Nop. Soldie...> It really is as simple as that.<br /> <br />Nop. Soldier can`t be guilty if he is not guilty. Jew ar not nazi, just because he lived in Buchenvald. <br /> <br />> There are no good SS.<br />Agreed! Latvian Legion is not SS. To be member of SS, one needs to be member of Nazi party. Latvians were not be able to become members of nazi party - for obvious and natural reasons, as you know.<br /> <br />> We suggest you listen to the comments of the international delegation...<br />I saw those dumb coments of dumb international delagation who just does not understand what`s happening.<br /> <br />> and formally established on March 16th 1944.<br />Wrong.<br /> <br />>to honor the Legion is far from being a positive act and a far cry from a policy to publicly GLORIFY them. <br />If they are not guilty (remeber Nurenberg court) be so kind - allow them to glorify monument of Latvia`s freedom. Is it too much too?<br /> <br /> <br />> Out of 900,000 Waffen SS, almost 150,000 were Latvians thus being the largest foreign contingent while their country, Latvia, only had two million inhabitants. <br /> <br />as you can see - it is real tragedy for our country. It is just normal to have special day for tragedy like this. On that day these people can be thankful to Freedom of Latvia - have rights in EU, NATO and 21st century. <br /> <br />And it is our deep honour to protect them against KGB-Jewish-Russian-nazi and their sad falsification of meanings. <br /><br />> It was Latvian legionnaires who participated in the defense of the Reich’s Chancellery in Berlin in April-May 1945, right next to their...<br /><br />What would they else can do? Just evaporate and dissapear?<br /> <br />Do you know how much german soldiers surrended and were captivated by Soviet Army under Stalingrad? 120 000 soldiers.<br /> <br />Do you know hom many left after some weeks? 6 000 <br /> <br />It`s like All Jew in Baltics. Whoops, and dissapeared tens of thousands of people. And nobody cares. War crime, but who cares? Do you care? Nop, you are nazi - you like this - german soldiers ar not people they ar nazis, they ar fighting on nazi side... Yep!<br /> <br />That`s why 15th division stepped back fighting against soviet army. To surrender to americans. Would you be able to read latvian language, there is memories of soldiers how they didn`t protected Berlin and moved to USA side and surrended (when it was finally possible and close enough).<br /> <br />> It should be noted those very same executioners consisting of 16 battalions of Latvian police and the notorious Arajs Team” led by Viktor Arajs participated in 1941-1942<br /> <br />There is at least three articles on internet where one can read that Legion soldiers really hated Arajs. <br /> <br />Would you like to work together with Pedophile - if he would be freed after some years?<br /> <br />There was story about Miervaldis Adamsons who rejected to sit near Arajs at ceremony. And there was conflit abut them. There was case where Arajs was beaten by other soldiers once. Besides, Arajs was Baltic-german nationality, grevn up by his german mother (without father`s strong hand).<br /> <br />> the tip of a very dangerous iceberg that is attempting to rewrite the history books and create a false symmetry or equalization of Communist and Nazi crimes. <br /> <br />Tony, can`t judge about things what he does not understand. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057669038923093068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-34795750975244887492013-03-22T04:47:56.170-07:002013-03-22T04:47:56.170-07:00
Some short points to bear in mind regarding March...<br />Some short points to bear in mind regarding March 16 and the Latvian Waffen SS:<br /><br />The Latvian legion of the Waffen SS was set up in the winter of 1943, only seventy years ago, under Hitler’s orders, and formally established on March 16th 1944. There is consensus amongst all Latvian historians that the day marks the only time that the two Divisions of the Legion (15th and 19th) fought together against the Red Army. Therefore, by making the 16th March a day to remember war dead, Latvians, (despite Latvian official protestations to the contrary), are making the day when Latvian volunteers fought in the 15th and 19th divisions of the SS an act of commemoration. As Israeli/Jewish critics have commented even if one takes the stance that the Latvian legionnaires were not criminals and that they were forced to fight for the Nazis, to honor the Legion is far from being a positive act and a far cry from a policy to publicly GLORIFY them. Glorification of pro-Nazi armed forces during World War II has no place in a European Union / NATO / OSCE country.<br /><br />During World War II, the Nazis created 37 divisions of Waffen Schutzstaffel (Waffen SS) of which only 12 were comprised exclusively by Germans. Most of the members of the divisions were recruited among the so-called “Aryan” populations of the occupied or annexed countries. Although the Latvians were not all considered “Aryan,” they were massively recruited. Out of 900,000 Waffen SS, almost 150,000 were Latvians thus being the largest foreign contingent while their country, Latvia, only had two million inhabitants. The Latvians were mainly placed in the 15th Infantry Division, which became the most decorated non-German Waffen SS unit receiving 13 Knight Crosses amongst them. Those Latvians of whom there were around 130,000 chose to fight for the Red army were described by Professor Vaira Vike-Freiberga sixth president of Latvia from 1999 to 2007 as “traitors.”<br /><br />Latvian apologists who believe that it is insulting to taint the whole Latvian legion with the same brush as those who committed atrocities in 1941 and 1942 should note it was the 15th infantry division who entrenched themselves in Berlin and engaged in the last military actions of the Third Reich. It was Latvian legionnaires who participated in the defense of the Reich’s Chancellery in Berlin in April-May 1945, right next to their Fuhrer Hitler to whom they swore an allegiance, defending him from Soviet attacks. Now, if that is not collaboration what is? To maintain that as the Latvian Legion guarded at the Nurnberg trials they therefore must be “kosher” or if you prefer “legit” the reality is that only a third of them did so, in the exterior ring not because they were innocent of crimes but because they spoke good German! Other rings were composed of Americans, allied troops and police. They should also question the following: Ivan Demyanyuk, like the Latvian legionnaires, also worked for the Americans immediately after the war; does this mean he is not a criminal?<br /><br />It truly does take a special kind of blindness for Latvian apologists to argue today that the Latvian Legion per se did not murder, virtually all of their Latvian compatriots; who happened to be Jewish as the Legion was formed in 1943 and 1944 and Latvian Jews were in the main murdered before the Legion was formed. Such an argument is simply an exercise in finding a loophole and a morally reprehensible one at that. It should be noted those very same executioners consisting of 16 battalions of Latvian police and the notorious Arajs Team” led by Viktor Arajs participated in 1941-1942 in the Holocaust in not only Latvia but also took an active part in the liquidating of ghettos in Belarus and Poland, as well as in the destruction of civilian villages in Belarus and Russia’s Pskov region. It is as Tony Patterson in an article in the Independent wrote, after attending the 2010 SS march, “the tip of a very dangerous iceberg that is attempting to rewrite the history books and create a false symmetry or equalization of Communist and Nazi crimes.”<br />Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-48673377341636323672013-03-22T04:46:56.300-07:002013-03-22T04:46:56.300-07:00Mr Peimanis we will repeat once more and for the f...Mr Peimanis we will repeat once more and for the final time one cannot be committed to human rights and pluralism and adulate Hitler's forces at the same time. If you don't want to be seen as someone who supports Nazism then don't adulate and apologise for those who fought for Hitler. It really is as simple as that.<br /><br />We suggest you read all the articles and books listed on this site for example to have a true picture regarding the SS and the Latvian Waffen SS. There are no good SS and by thinking that it is acceptable to adulate one group of SS due to whatever reasons goes against the very fabric of democracy that the EU is based on. Your beloved Latvian Legion, your beloved Waffen SS were amongst the 37 Waffen SS groups the most decorated of all, it was one of the most brutal, if not the most brutal . The 15th division protected Hitler until the bitter end, if this is not collaboration what is? We suggest that you view the You tube clips listed on this site particularly for 2012 where youths desecrate the wreath to the victims of Nazism with Latvian police and armed guards standing by. We suggest you listen to the comments of the international delegation who placed the wreath down and witnessed its destruction. We suggest you read some of the eyewitness accounts of impartial observers. To get a true historical perspective with regards to Hitler's forces may we finally suggest that you read some books in a library rather than constantly referring to Wikipedia and online sources for your information.<br />Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-2537387603546456412013-03-21T16:16:00.567-07:002013-03-21T16:16:00.567-07:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Latvia#Rus...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Latvia#Russian_period_.281721-1918.29<br /><br />A series of conflicts within the territory of Latvia during 1918–1920 is commonly known as the Latvian War of Independence. In December 1918 Soviet Russia invaded the new republic and rapidly conquered almost all the territory of Latvia, Riga itself was captured by the Soviet Army on 4 April 1919, with the exception of a small territory near Liepāja. The Latvian Socialist Soviet Republic was proclaimed on 17 December 1918 with the political, economic, and military backing of the Bolshevik government of Soviet Russia. On March 3, 1919 German and Latvian forces commenced a counterattack against the forces of Soviet Latvia. On 22 May 1919 Riga was recaptured. In June 1919 collisions started between the Baltische Landeswehr on one side and the Estonian 3rd division on the other.[13] The 3rd division defeated the German forces in the Battle of Wenden on June 23. An armistice was signed at Strazdumuiža, under the terms of which the Germans had to leave Latvia.[13] However the German forces instead of leaving, were incorporated into the West Russian Volunteer Army.[13] On October 5 it commenced an offensive on Riga taking the west bank of the Daugava River but on November 11 was defeated by Latvian forces and by the end of the month, driven from Latvia. On January 3, 1920 the united Latvian and Polish forces launched an attack on the Soviet army in Latgalia and took Daugavpils. By the end of January they reached the etnographic border of Latvia. On August 11, 1920 according to the Latvian–Soviet Peace Treaty ("Treaty of Riga") Soviet Russia relinquished authority over the Latvian nation and claims to Latvian territory "once and for all times".<br /><br />The international community (United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Italy and Japan) recognized Latvia's independence on January 26, 1921, and the recognition from many other countries followed soon. In this year Latvia also became a member of the League of Nations (September 22, 1921).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057669038923093068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-90450348620879838482013-03-21T16:05:02.322-07:002013-03-21T16:05:02.322-07:00> May we remind you that the Allies consisted o...> May we remind you that the Allies consisted of Russian, American and British troops who... <br /> <br />Let`s start with simple things. UK didn`t had a chance to enjoy any of these regimes. People of Latvia had good opportunity to compare. So, listen what they think. Especially those who were taken into SS by force, escaped from first lines in war, survied, were sent to GULAG, returned, had no chance for human rights and normal live and have no chance to place flowers near monument of freedom. <br /> <br />> You seem to have forgotten that if Hitler had been victorious it would have been a disaster for Latvia <br /><br />I seem exactly know and remember all this all the time, wne I am trying to not be angry - that these soldiers were not be able to be Nazi people.<br /> <br />Legion was formed exactly after east Europe was sold to RED NAZI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Conference <br /><br />"Stalin wished for an area in the Eastern part of Poland to be added to the USSR, and for the border to be lengthened elsewhere in the country. Roosevelt and Churchill agreed to this demand, and Poland’s borders were declared to lie along the Oder and Neisse rivers and the Curzon line, despite protests of the Polish government-in-exile in London. Churchill and Roosevelt also consented to the USSR setting up puppet communist governments in Poland, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic states, Romania, and other Eastern European countries which would result in a loss of freedom by these countries for the next fifty years and would be the genesis of the Cold War."<br /> <br />===<br /> <br />Although, there is one important remark!<br />After WWI when Latvia proclamed Independence, it was occupied by Soviet red Riflemens and soviet regime. They started colectivisation and genocide against rich people. Most of red riflemen who fought for freedom of simple people, realised, thtat Bolshevikhs started disasterous regime and they went to side of newly proclamed Latvia. Soviet forces were much more powerful, but they joined together with German Bermon`ts forces and beat Soviets. Although Germans wanted to make their own Ostland but there was good chance to cooperate with Estonians and Germans were beat too - that Baltic army was heavily supported by England forces who helped to newly recognised country. And after that rest of red army were beat out of Latgalia too. <br /> <br />Just 20 years later everything happened again. Exactly the same way - Germans was in Latvia, their fate was clear... But from other side came Red NAZI. That`s why there is no crimes (zero evidences). They fought against red army.<br /> <br />Why 16th march.<br />I have read most of online available memories, books, even russian side books about fight from their side. <br /><br />There was one interesting idea mentioned by simple soldier. Obviously, germans used Latvians as first line meat for soviet guns. And when they took back height 93,4 it was important to help safely step back German forces (to have less loses), Fighting around 16th of march was so hard, that latvian divisions became almost nonexistant. <br /> <br />So, thats why 16th of march. Because there was no more poverful forces to protect Latvia against Soviet occupation. Legion was weak and Red army 130 division riflemen (Latvians who were on other side of firing line) rejected to come to their side and fight together for freedom of Latvia. And Legion were betrayed by allies (teheran conference) this time too - they hoped that Allies will ocme from other side and they will be able to stop RED army at some point till allies comes. 19th division stayed in Kurland till death, 15th division surendered to USA forces near Berlin. <br /> <br />So, 15th division has some links with your coments like:<br /><br />> Can't see any SS troops liberating the survivors. <br /><br /><br />Yep!<br />Their specialisation (according to your understanding) was different. So they continued to safeguard... Most serios camp of that time:<br /> <br />http://www.lettia.lv/en_a_legionari-nirnberga.html<br /> <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057669038923093068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-29160284885130203162013-03-21T15:18:09.134-07:002013-03-21T15:18:09.134-07:00> even the Latvian historian Mr Erzergailis has...> even the Latvian historian Mr Erzergailis has never stated that there was good SS and bad. <br /> <br />Neither I.<br />Neither any of those people who goes with flowers to monument of freedom. Although I will repeat: Persons who were not nazi, can`t be nazi. <br /> <br />Please read carefully: http://haolusa.org/en/index.php?./Legion/LL-600-Cleared.ssi<br /><br />There is no Waffen SS marching in Riga. There is no nazi glorification. <br /> <br /><br />> unknown numbers of Latvian Waffen SS soldiers acting as auxillary police were involved in the murder of Jews between 1941-1942, murdering 95.5% of Latvia's pre-war jewish population.<br /> <br />There was no Latvian Legion at the moment when Jews were killed. Besides, Jews were killed by specialised comandos from Germany. Small part was killed by latvian SD police grops. Besides - I don`t care about comandos nationality. Crime is crime. <br /> <br />> as young misinformed Latvians desecrate the wreaths to the victims of Nazism.<br />It`s sad, really sad. KGB ex-nazis intentinally places provacative wreaths and nobody informs thouse dumb and young people - DON`T TOUCH IT. I exactly was in epicenter when all this happened. I was so surprised, that forgot to take pictures... And then there was zilion of filmers and photographers around me. And I felt even more sad - how will spread that tiny stupidity ouver the world. I saw face of that filming operator (who went together with provocation group) and his satisfaction. I saw faces of wreath provocation group too (Jews bones bussinessmen) and they were happy. Look on both ladies on left side of video - is it good to be happy and have fun!? http://youtu.be/1mnFIA148g4<br /><br /><br />>ask yourself the following, if you don't want to be grouped with Nazis then why do you adulate those who collaborated with them?<br /> <br />Once more. Latvian Legion didn`t colobrate with nazi, they are not gilty for war crimes. They were not Waffen SS as it is defined. There is no collective guilt nowadays. Collective guilt is nazism! <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057669038923093068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-18953796901734155742013-03-21T09:58:10.240-07:002013-03-21T09:58:10.240-07:00Mr Peimanis you and others like you suggest that L...Mr Peimanis you and others like you suggest that Latvian SS forces liberated the western world from a force worse than Nazism- Russian Communists . May we remind you that the Allies consisted of Russian, American and British troops who allowed the world to be free of the greatest genocidal force the world has ever known. Below a small example of the atrocities committed by Hitler's forces and his willing foreign executioners, atrocities that the Allies rescued each and everyone of us from INCLUDING Latvians. You seem to have forgotten that if Hitler had been victorious it would have been a disaster for Latvia since the Nazis had no intention or plan to grant Latvia independence. Historians know very well of the Nazis’ plans to do away with the Latvian (among Baltic) peoples after the planned-for victory. There would have been no Latvia to become independent in 1991 or Monument of Freedom for you to lay wreaths down to for your Latvian SS veterans who collaborated with Hitler....<br /> <br />History to the liberation of the camps by the Allies<br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/liberation_camps_01.shtml <br /><br />Liberation of Auschwitz<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcOqDyuzk9U <br /><br />Original, unedted footage of the liberation of Auschwitz by the Red Army <br /><br />Can't see any SS troops liberating the survivors. Can Latvian apologists?<br /><br />Liberation of Belsen<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4P_g8OVlpQ <br />Liberation of Belsen by British Troops<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/holocaust/5115.shtml Broadcaster Richard Dimbleby describes Belsen<br /><br />Can't see any SS troops liberating the survivors. Can Latvian apologists?<br /><br />Liberation of Buchenwald<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QtfxRTZdKk Liberation of Buchenwald and Dachau by American Troops<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3SCSouI8WE Liberation of Buchenwald (Edward R. Murrow broadcast)<br /><br />Can't see any SS troops liberating the survivors. Can Latvian apologists?<br />Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-91741565644601926552013-03-21T09:56:18.847-07:002013-03-21T09:56:18.847-07:00Mr Peimanis, we are sorry to disappoint you but ev...Mr Peimanis, we are sorry to disappoint you but even the Latvian historian Mr Erzergailis has never stated that there was good SS and bad. Whatever the grounds for conscription the SS as a whole was a criminal organisation, any thinking German today would tell you that it was a DEEP shame to be part of Hitler's forces not an honour. Lets be clear there are no good SS and to think otherwise is truly naieve.<br /><br />Just to be clear again we wonder whether you and people like who apologise for those who glorify and honour the Waffen SS ever question how grossly insulting you are to those who were victims of the Nazis? When you and other like you apologise for those who march down the streets of an EU capital and honour such murderers do you ever question or pray for the Jews, Roma and Sinti, Poles, Russians, disabled, homosexuals, children ,elderly civilians to name but a few who were brutally murdered by the Waffen SS and their willing collaborators or do you only consider your own very small patch of land and what you see as your suffering in your strange post modern world where right becomes wrong and wrong becomes right? <br /><br />In terms of your own country Latvia, do you ever say a prayer for the Jews, many of them people who had lived in Latvia for generations, Latvians who happened to be Jewish, who were murdered using the sardine method in Rumbula or massacred in the dunes in Libau in 1941 by Latvian men who then later joined the 15th and 19th divisions of the Waffen SS? If you think this is a lie why don't you read Ezergailis again or visit the Jewish Museum in Riga and look at some of the photos there of the killings or how about reading evidence that includes a series of personal accounts and confirmation received from the trial of Adolf Eichmann that support that unknown numbers of Latvian Waffen SS soldiers acting as auxillary police were involved in the murder of Jews between 1941-1942, murdering 95.5% of Latvia's pre-war jewish population.<br /><br />Do you say a prayer for these Jewish Latvians as young misinformed Latvians desecrate the wreaths to the victims of Nazism each and every year on the 16th March laid down by international delegations that have consisted of eminent politicians, human rights activists and historians? Do you ever question how appalling your honouring of SS veterans looks to the outside world? Do you ever question that when you and others honour SS veterans who were part of the most genocidal regime the world has ever known that you go against every value that democracy, something the EU an organisation that Latvia has been granted admittance since 2004, is based on? ( Regarding the Latvian Waffen SS read the article below concerning the kind of things these men did)<br /><br />If one scours the internet for a list of people who have made a positive difference to our world, there are many different opinions , below one such list, however only on Neo-Nazi sites will one see the name of Hitler and his forces as a group worthy of praise. Mr Peimanis you feel offended being grouped with Nazis however, ask yourself the following, if you don't want to be grouped with Nazis then why do you adulate those who collaborated with them?<br />http://www.biographyonline.net/people/people-who-made-a-difference.html<br />Nope, no mention of Hitler or his forces or Veiss, Shilde or Ancans in this list....<br /><br />Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-73228175037078942402013-03-21T08:34:56.023-07:002013-03-21T08:34:56.023-07:00> who were brutally murdered by the 15th and 19...> who were brutally murdered by the 15th and 19th divisions of the Waffen SS?<br />Can you show any source for this information? Or you mean SD police groups who were later incorporated into these divisions and was hated by other soldiers?<br /><br />> Do you ever question how appalling your honouring of SS veterans looks to the outside world?<br /><br />Some days ago I took pictures of all that ceremony where those weterans just want to place flowers for Latvia (because it is free country now). It was interesting to see how actively works with PRESS Tatyana Zhdanok, Josif Koren and some other people. They were interviewed all the time... Unstoppable flow of lies - total change of meanings. And it was really sad. Even big conference was managed to spread lies around the world. And I just was curious to check it out on internet - indeed - lot of sources has spread all these lies further. You are one of these mirrors. So, I decided - to write at least couple of comments about all this. Because I am not marching, but I have read uncountless stack of information (in all languages). Besides, I am not nazi in any way: I have relatives in Israel, my parents "ar made" from latvian, latgalian, polish, lithuanian, Baltic german grandparents (approx in equal proportions, etc). My daughter has russian part too. <br /> <br />> that you go against every value that democracy, that the EU, is based on?<br /><br />Nuremberg Tribunal: <br />http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/judorg.asp#ss<br /><br />"...excluding, however, those who were drafted into membership by the State in such a way as to give them no choice in the matter, and who had committed no such crimes."<br /> <br />Even "revenge" tribunal were able to follow EU democracy principles and exclude nacistic collective guilt approach (like, all jews are bad. Or all Waffen SS soldiers are criminals), why you can`t?<br /><br />1. to be official SS member (nazi organisation) person needed to be NSDAP member. Jews, Latvians, Russians etc were not be able to be NSDAP members (as nationals good for total elimination).<br />2. Persons who were taken into SS by force - were not guilty.<br />3. Persons who stepped in as freelancers (to fight against red nazi) but did no war crimes or crimes agianst humanity - were not guilty.<br /> <br />And I hope nacism has ended with tribunal at 1946 and they are still NOT guilty. Or something changed and now there started pure jewish nacism?<br /> <br />Of course - most of them (not guilty) died in Soviet slave gulags. <br /> <br />Actually I don`t believe you ever will understand that they are not guilty. But I hope! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057669038923093068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-74514441681107795262013-03-21T08:34:06.921-07:002013-03-21T08:34:06.921-07:00> May we suggest that you start reading some go...> May we suggest that you start reading some good history books that can be accessed in any good library in the west.<br /><br />I would be thankful to read good books of history - unbiased, neutral, without propoganda interpretation. Although for obvious resons there can`t be good books. One really respected western holokaust and history professor who is well recognised by all sides, is Andriew Ezergailis. I can suggest to you check out his books. Good place to start is here: http://haolusa.org<br /><br />> We wonder whether you and those like you who glorify and honour the Waffen SS ever question how grossly insulting you are to those who were victims of the Nazis?<br /> <br />Question is realy personal. But I don`t hesitate to broadly answer it:<br />1. I never ever marched down or glorified Waffen SS. I participaded on these events as hobby photographer and wanted to see evrything by myself to better undertsand what`s happening. <br /><br />2. I am really lucky (with my relatives) - one of my grandfathers was forcifly incorporated into Soviet Army - at wery begining of war he was seriously injured into leg, so, after that he were still in Soviet side, but not on first lines (because that one leg was "unbentable" in knee anymore - for rest of his life. But he stayed alive - so her I am! :). Other grandfather was well recognized fisherman in Kurland area. Soviets didn`t took him, because he was needed as important food source. Waffen SS didn`t took him too - because he was already needed for food supply at that historical moment in Kurland. <br /><br />The only Waffen SS soldier what I knew personally from my relatives, was uncle of my Godfather. When he was 16 years old, he was forcifly taken into Waffen SS. First month german soldiers taught to them military things. There was rather rude attitude to these boys and when there started first military chaos, he and one friend run away. He hided in forests (near home) for half a year or so, then was arrested by Soviets. There was no information about him, so, he was sentenced to Gulag for 25 years. There in gulag he met Russian woman from Caucasus area with small boy. When boy was something like 10 years old, Stalin died, these soldiers were amnested and were able to return home. So, that way I got godfather (husband of my fathers sister). Russian/caucasian boy who were sentenced to Gulag - just because Caucasians were occupied by Germans. And I can`t imagine more helpful and nice person than my godfather is. From gulag returned every forth man who was taken into Waffen SS.<br /> <br />It`s short information for you, dear red nazi - there is no place for collective guilt in 21st century. All Waffen SS soldiers ar totally filtered already. If there was tiniest rumors that person is guilty - he died. If there was no information - for preventive purposes - he died (3/4 cases). If there was clear information that he was not guilty - he sometimes died, worked for some years in soviet slave stalags, then was free person (of course, without chances to travel abrouad, to get good education, good work etc).<br /> <br />Besides - my Godfather started to go to school at twelve, when he arrived in Latvia and didn`t had chance to get higher education - after elementary school were taken into Soviet Army (far north again) for years.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057669038923093068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-58853700756619181972013-03-20T15:29:31.479-07:002013-03-20T15:29:31.479-07:00Mr Peimanis, you clearly have a very distorted vie...Mr Peimanis, you clearly have a very distorted view of history. May we suggest that you start reading some good history books that can be accessed in any good library in the west.<br /><br />We wonder whether you and those like you who glorify and honour the Waffen SS ever question how grossly insulting you are to those who were victims of the Nazis? When you and others march down the streets of an EU capital and honour such murderers do you ever question or pray for the Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Russians, disabled, children and elderly civilians who were brutally murdered by the 15th and 19th divisions of the Waffen SS? Do you say a prayer for them as young misinformed Latvians desecrate the wreaths to the victims of Nazism? Do you ever question how appalling your honouring of SS veterans looks to the outside world? Do you ever question that when you and others honour SS veterans who were part of the most genocidal regime the world has ever known that you go against every value that democracy, that the EU, is based on?Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-16830378080291546322013-03-20T14:58:55.885-07:002013-03-20T14:58:55.885-07:00Don`t slander Waffen SS soldiers, be thankful to t...Don`t slander Waffen SS soldiers, be thankful to them! Otherwise for me it would be much easier to talk with you using Russian language. <br /> <br />But I doubt. If your relatives moved to London, they were more prosperous than other average people. So, bear in mind, prosperous jews were killed befor Nazi came. Don`t forget - there was Soviet NKVD one year earlier who killed and deported all intelligent, rich and talented jews (ok, it`s partly carried out by jews itself - so not interesting for propoganda. Sadly, jews at NKVD was rather popular, latvians too. So Nazi used all this for propoganda purposes and easily collected team for revenge (some hundreds of people), thousands in SS police itself). <br /> <br />People volunteered on Waffen SS side - to fight against Soviet Union (that`s all). If your life level is higher than average person in Russia has, you would have good chance to learn Russian language and have outside temperature -30`C now. <br /><br />Please read: Stalin`s complete speach on 19th august 1939.<br /> <br />You can`t imagine how abonimable rude it is to call someone "Nazi" if that person is not nazi at all. And you are making petitions and so on. Just because ex-KGB agents (the same people formed Interfront - Moscow instituted organisation, who fought against Latvian independence. After Independence proclamation, Latvia made strict laws and all kind of regimes is strictly forbidden. It means kommunism, soviet union symbols and all kind of nazi things. So, these persons formed organisations "against nazism", "human rights organisation" and continues to do their SOviet KGB "interesting" propoganda things. And you are helping to these Red Nazi.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18057669038923093068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-8392708933290764472013-03-17T05:22:49.866-07:002013-03-17T05:22:49.866-07:00Reports from the European Commission against Racis...Reports from the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance that in 2008 explicitly stated and once again reiterated in February 2012:<br /> <br />“All attempts to commemorate persons who fought in the Waffen SS and collaborate with the Nazis should be condemned. Any gathering or march legitimizing in any way Nazism should be banned.”<br /><br />One cannot be committed to human rights and pluralism and adulate Hitler's forces at the same time whether you wear Armani or Nazi outfits as you remember and honour SS veterans is in this respect quite irrelevant.Stop the 16 March marches in Rigahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126987162649823373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1313498706352487687.post-2343948461350471132013-03-17T04:13:34.693-07:002013-03-17T04:13:34.693-07:00Why do you so deeply misunderstand the motivation ...Why do you so deeply misunderstand the motivation for those veterans' ceremonies in Latvia?<br /><br />No Goebbels-Allee. No Nazi symbols. Nazi symbols and Nazi ideology are forbidden by law in Latvia. None of the people who lay flowers at the Freedom monument has any sympathy for nazism or fascism.<br /><br />And yet you keep accusing them of precisely that.<br /><br />What's you next step? To claim that every person whose name is Adolf or Heinrich is clearly a Nazi in disguise and should be forced to change his name?...Asehpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15848623582152684860noreply@blogger.com